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Poor Andrew Kennedy.... |
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Posts: 1654 12/19/08 04:57 PM |
His lawya was just on Finebaum's and said they were suing the cabby and the valet. I guess for defamation. Poor Andy Kennedy. His
reputation is being ruined by a couple of twenty year olds
I guess we had better watch what we say on teh interwebs... 
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SkinsDawg |
It's all about fear | #21 | ||
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Posts: 37 12/19/08 08:29 PM |
Kennedy and Ole Miss will use their wealth and prestige to try and scare these guys out of going to court. You may hear words like 'deportation' thrown
out there to try and get the cabbie to drop the charges. It's going to be all about bullying these guys.
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Posts: 1465 12/19/08 08:55 PM |
FlabLoser wrote:Actually, no. The cabbie's suit against AK would be of the civil variety, so "beyond a reasonable doubt" wouldn't enter into the equation. That would be the State's burden of proof should they try ole Andrew for battery. As for defamation, the standard is higher for a public figure than just any old John Doe. \
For the sixth straight year, MSU will finish in the bottom 20 in the country in total offense. There are all kinds of reasons for
that, but it's hard to excuse it by pointing to the "state of the program" when Croom arrived, especially considering how well the defense has
played over that same span of time--Brad Locke, November 25, 2008
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ARebel21.nafoom |
The owner of the bar has gone on record saying... | #23 | ||
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Posts: 36 12/19/08 09:15 PM |
that none of the coaches "were" thrown out of the bar. There was no hostility at all according to him.
But I do agree that they shouldn't have been out that late before a game night.. regardless of the situation.
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Posts: 869 12/19/08 09:24 PM |
"thanks" for "that".
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Posts: 2724 12/19/08 09:46 PM Literally a Cocksucker
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I'm just saying. I don't know that any of us were there, and therefore it is definitely possible that the story is fabricated. I'd say that
it's unlikely that the whole thing is fabricated, but it's not impossible. And if it was actually a fabricated story, then he should be counter-suing
the shit out of them.
That said, I think the whole counter-suing thing is likely just a legal move to try to get the charges dropped. Hypothetically, if you were the cab driver and you knew that you weren't lying, you'd be faced with the choice of either (a) dropping the charges or (b) taking your chance in court which could or could not go your way even if it should. Basically it puts the cab driver at more risk if he does decide to proceed with the charges, because even if he's telling the truth, the court could find otherwise and he could end up on the hook for some cash. Edited to add: I do think the valet's story loses a little bit of credibility due to the fact that he never spoke to the police the night of the incident, and he didn't come out to the media until the day after the cab driver's story had been all in the media. It's definitely possible that the guy could just be looking for his 5 minutes of fame, so he fabricates a story that matches what he heard from the cab driver so he could get on TV. If you pay attention to his interview, he doesn't give many details. Everything he says is very vague, and he doesn't reveal anything that wasn't already public knowledge. Just saying. That's why they take these things to court so that men who are smarter than me get a chance to figure out who is telling the truth by catching people in their lies.
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Posts: 98 12/19/08 11:47 PM |
As I understand it, the owner of the bar didn't throw them out. A police officer has since said they were asked to leave. Now they did so in a cooperating
manner but I am pretty sure they were asked to leave the bar (this was not a rest. this place does not serve food on Wed night AKA "College Night").
I hate to see this happen, mainly because not a damn soul outside of the SouthEast gives a shit about a MS school, and calls everyone OM. But there is no spin here. Kennedy shouldn't have been out the night before the Louisville game. No excuses. Screw the punch or the racial slur (if they did actually happen). How do you hold your players to a curfew when you are out and about? If I was a player, I wouldn't give a shit about curfew rules after this. That's what I would be worried about. Well, that and the injuries. All joking aside, the injuries warrant a terrible season. |
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Mutt the Hoople |
Best defense is a good offense | #27 | ||
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Posts: 843 12/20/08 02:00 AM King of Pointless Knowledge
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Take the fight to them. good strategy on Kennedys' lawyers part.
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StateLover |
Lawyer Take | #28 | ||
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Posts: 159 12/20/08 02:01 AM |
the burden of proof in the defamation suit would be by a preponderance of the evidence, meaning that AK would have to convince the jury that it is "more
likely than not" that the Cabbie and the Valet were (1) lying and (2) (because AK would be considered a public figure) with malicious intent to injure AK.
He cannot win that lawsuit--it was only filed for posturing and to bully the Valet from testifying.
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Posts: 103 12/20/08 07:54 AM |
From what I recall, Roger Clemens attempted the same strategy. I don't believe that is working out too well for him.
Do you really think the cabbie is worried about being on the hook for a lot of cash? I don't know his financial situation but I would have to guess the cabbie does not have all that much to satisfy a large judgment. Do you think AK will garnish the mans wages for the rest of his life? I seriously doubt the cabbie is terribly scared of a monetary judgment. Plus his lawyer probably informed him that the burden of proof in a defamation action against a public figure (not sure if AK would be) is very difficult to meet. |
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DawgNsuds |
Using your logic | #30 | ||
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Posts: 423 12/20/08 08:57 AM |
Edited to add: I do think the valet's story loses a little bit of credibility due to the fact that he never spoke to the police the night of the incident, and he didn't come out to the media until the day after the cab driver's story had been all in the media. It's definitely possible that the guy could just be looking for his 5 minutes of fame, so he fabricates a story that matches what he heard from the cab driver so he could get on TV. If you pay attention to his interview, he doesn't give many details. Everything he says is very vague, and he doesn't reveal anything that wasn't already public knowledge.Kennedy would lose credibility as well since it's been established that he lied about what he was doing out. He stated that he was out having dinner. We have indisputable evidence that this establishment does not serve food. On another note, can you Rebs quite citing the managers account that he was not thrown out of the restaurant? It is public record that a police officer asked him to leave. Another indisputable fact, it is irrelevant that the manager didn't "throw him out". He was asked to leave by a police officer, end of story! |
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RebelBruiser |
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Posts: 2727 12/20/08 09:46 AM Literally a Cocksucker
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DawgNsuds wrote: Good job Gene's Page lawyer. Congrats! The prosecution rests. And what you're wrong about is that there is no such thing as an indisputable fact. That's why they go to court and play the legal game. Honestly, I don't think he's completely innocent. I'm just saying that the defamation suit is the right angle to take if he wants to try to get off the charges (whether he deserves to get off or not). Also, I'm curious how it has been established that Kennedy lied, especially since they aren't even in court. Using your reasoning, you could say the same thing about the cab driver. In other words, you're a dumbass. |
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DawgNsuds |
Argue what you will | #32 | ||
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Posts: 424 12/20/08 10:04 AM |
Unfortunately we do not have a kitchen. We do provide an appetizer buffet for our Friday and Saturday happy hours. Please let me know if I can be of any more assistance. But I would call this indisputable evidence that they don't serve food. I would say that any court in the land would make the Manager a reputable witness to this fact. Once again, someone whose facts don't support their argument, turns to name calling rather than state facts. You lose all credibility here. Also, I'm curious how it has been established that Kennedy lied, especially since they aren't even in court. Secondly, When did it become necessary to be in court for a statement to be untrue? |
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Posts: 18 12/20/08 10:08 AM |
Why was he asked to leave? If he is simply sitting there, unwinding, minding his own business, sipping his scotch and water - why would they ask him to leave?
"Thrown out" or "asked to leave" = not behaving.... |
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BeeeDeee |
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Posts: 55 12/20/08 10:35 AM |
Folks keep harping on them being "thrown out" of the bar. Here's a quote from the manager of the bar:
"The reports that they were kicked out were untrue," Moller told the newspaper. "They were here, but they left on good terms." That doesn't say, "I didn't throw them out, but the cops did" or "I didn't throw them out, but the cops might have" or "I didn't throw them out, but I'm not sure how they left". It says that they left on good terms. Pretty unambiguous. Edited to add link: http://msn.foxsports.com/...ch-sues-cab-driver,-valet |
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KurtRambis4 |
par for the course | #35 | ||
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Posts: 3093 12/20/08 10:46 AM |
i heard the cabbie and the valet were best friends since 3rd grade and that in the 7th grade they made this scheme up. the scheme involved one of them
becoming a cab driver in life and the other a valet. then, the cabbie would sit outside of the place where the valet worked picking up drunk people and
screwing with them to make them upset. once they got upset, the cabbie would call the police, punch himself in the face, and make up a story about being
yelled and and what not. then, the valet would come in as the "3rd party with no dog in the fight" and cooberate the cabbie's (who he didn't
know...yeah right hahahahaha lolz lol lol) story. they have been doing this for years now but somehow this is only the first time they've ever gotten it
to work. go figure. bad luck?
/ om grad yeah...sounds plausible...
+1 for ronny's archive and no capitalization
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tossedoff |
This just struck me as funny | #36 | ||
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Posts: 299 12/20/08 10:49 AM |
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kired |
Straight from Anderson's police report | #37 | ||
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Posts: 62 12/20/08 11:02 AM |
he was "intoxicated and ejected from Lodge Bar." Maybe Anderson was ejected & the rest just left with him??
But the manager's not stupid - he's probably afraid of being sued too, so he's not going to say anything negative about them outside of court. |
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Pimp Doggy |
Tyler Durden's agent was on Ben Ingram yesterday | #38 | ||
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Posts: 2561 12/20/08 11:13 AM It Ain't Easy |
Tyler Durden's agent was on Ben Ingram yesterday rambling about the witness and the victim accounts changing and that they had no credibility. I hope the
agent realized his story didn't match the story ak's brother started telling or the story of the coach's posse.
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BeeeDeee |
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Posts: 56 12/20/08 12:41 PM |
Why the hell would he lie about it rather than just keeping his mouth shut if he were trying to avoid being sued? He said that they left on good terms.
That'd preclude being escorted out, asked to leave, forcible removal, etc.. It's more likely that the cop assumed that Armstrong had been kicked out because he was being a drunk jackass outside the bar.
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LesterBangsDwg |
The Fact is that Ak's | #40 | ||
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Posts: 10 12/20/08 01:59 PM |
credibility is out the window...he said he was eating at the bar? The bar doesn't even have a kitchen...the manager is on record saying that. I really
don't care if he hit the cabbie or not...there has been plenty of times a cabbie has pissed me off but never have I wanted to punch the guy. Its just an
embarrassment for a head coach to be drinking at a bar at 1 in the morning and having to be asked to leave (on the night before a game). I don't think any
Ole Miss fans want that kind of behavior out of a head coach. No matter what happens out of this I don't think AK's job will be intact...likewise for
his career...
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