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Croomp

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08/05/08 01:22 PM

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I'm having a hard time following this poll whoever put it together:

http://myespn.go.com/blogs/sec/0-1-148/Florida-opens-No--1-in-power-rankings.html
SEC Power Rankings
1. Florida
2. Georgia
3. LSU
4. Auburn
5. Tennessee
6. South Carolina
7. Ole Miss
8. Alabama
9. Mississippi State
10. Kentucky
11. Arkansas
12. Vanderbilt

VegasDawg13

That's a reasonable argument.

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08/05/08 03:28 PM

I wasn't trying to imply that I thought he was a world beater at Arkansas, but to evaluate him based on their preseason expectations this year is moronic.

I think the jury is still out on Nutt. I don't really know if it's easy or hard to win at Arkansas. So, I think a lot will be told by how well Nutt does at Ole Miss and what kind of program Arkansas has going forward.

People who make threads whining about Coach34 are way more annoying than Coach34.

RebelBruiser

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08/05/08 03:28 PM

Not that there's
anything wrong with that

4suredog wrote:
I'll go over this again, if no. 11 on this list is Arkansas, isn't that where Nutt came from? If the program he left is that bad.....What would make
anyone believe he will be better for Mississippi? He will have less resources, less to work with in facilities, more competition for recruits, and a program
with players who have documented as not being able to read. Truly, will someone answer this question? Where is the assumption that he is going to bring back
the pre-segregation days of football coming from?

We probably have the same number of fans that believe Nutt will take us to national prominence as you have fans that believe Croom will take you to national prominence. In other words, there are very few of our fans with those visions. Most of us believe however that he'll be able to make us respectable, take us to bowls at least every other year, and possibly have a year on rare occasion where we sneak up and compete with the best in the SEC. I don't think those are outrageous expectations.

Edited to add: I think that if you coach for 10 years at one of the non-Big 6 SEC schools, and you come out with a conference record at or above .500, you've done a pretty good job. Put it this way, I don't think Arkansas will have many coaches win as much as he did in the SEC. Their program is just not quite that status to be able to win much more than he did. We're just hoping he can come in and do about as much with our program as is possible given our resources. If he can stay at Ole Miss 10 years and come out with a .500 SEC record, I'll be pleased.

Last Edited By: RebelBruiser 08/05/08 03:32 PM. Edited 1 time.

Seven Year Plan.nafoom

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08/05/08 03:30 PM

4suredog wrote:
I'll go over this again, if no. 11 on this list is Arkansas, isn't that where Nutt came from? If the program he left is that bad.....What would make anyone believe he will be better for Mississippi? He will have less resources, less to work with in facilities, more competition for recruits, and a program with players who have documented as not being able to read. Truly, will someone answer this question? Where is the assumption that he is going to bring back the pre-segregation days of football coming from?

If you are going to make fun of illiteracy, you should probably use proper grammar in your critical sentence. Let me fix it for you:

He will have fewer resources, poorer facilities, more competition for recruits, and a program with players who have been documented as unable to read.

Yes, spelling grammar smack is nearly always lame; and, yes, the entire Powe situation is an embarrassment. However, criticizing poor reading skills with sentences utilizing poor grammar and lacking essential elements of verb tense is even more personally embarrassing.

Edit: No, I do not think Ole Miss will finish 7th in the SEC.

"Where there's beer, there's Seven Year." - Gallatin Reb

"There are three rules that I live by: never get less than twelve hours sleep; never play cards with a guy who has the same first name as a city; and never get involved with a woman with a tattoo of a dagger on her body. Now you stick to that, and everything else is cream cheese." - Coach Bobby Finstock

Harley Weewax

Interesting goals, Bruiser

#24

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08/05/08 03:31 PM

Huxtablologist

Didn't you fire a coach 3 years ago that did exactly that?

olemiss21

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08/05/08 03:33 PM

I think Bruiser should have added that we want a coach that won't refuse to recruit or respond to his employers.

muddawgs33

That's a good point, but

#26

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08/05/08 03:35 PM

olemiss21 wrote:

Dawg725 wrote:
And C34, why do you and the Ole Miss Rebelettes automatically assume that Nutts is going to continue to dominate MSU? It's not like he has a magical wand and waves it everytime he gets ready to play us. Just because he has left Arkansas doesn't mean he will carry his luck over to red town.

The Egg Bowl is ALWAYS a toss-up. Just like any other rivalry game.

You call this luck:

9

W

11-21-1998

22

Starkville, MS

21

10

L

11-20-1999

9

Little Rock, AR

14

11

L

11-18-2000

10

Starkville, MS

17

12

L

11-17-2001

21

Fayetteville, AR

24

13

L

11-23-2002

19

Starkville, MS

26

14

L

11-22-2003

6

Fayetteville, AR

52

15

L

11-20-2004

21

Starkville, MS

24

16

L

11-19-2005

10

Little Rock, AR

44

17

L

11-18-2006

14

Starkville, MS

28

18

L

11-17-2007

31

Little Rock, AR

45

The only one point game was in 1998 and State won that one. In fact, Nutt beat your two best teams in recent history in 1999 and 2000. Now, he may not be the best coach around, but if State hired a coach that was 9-1 against Ole Miss, it'd worry me.

Nutt will be coaching our rival and will no longer be a game between Alabame and Ole Miss, so we will see if he is as successful at Ole Miss at beating State as he was at Arkansas.

TR

Considering your best coach since Vaught...

#27

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08/05/08 03:37 PM

Tommy Tuberville, only went .500 versus State, I'm not too worried about your coach's record at another university.

4suredog

See seven year...

#28

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08/05/08 03:37 PM

I never stated that I could read either, but I did stay at a holliday inn express last night and had no pillow or alarm clock. So my grammer is suffering today....

DiamondReb

You are slow

#29

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08/05/08 03:38 PM

Dawg in a pile wrote:

How is it true when it has been documented by a Clarion Ledger writer that he can in fact read. It is factual.
It was also documented by his mother that he couldn't read. Is that not also factual? Cue bruiser.

Croom has less to work with in terms of facilities and resources than does OM.
This is your opinion, and your opinions are shown daily on this board to be completely backwards.

It was documented that his mother said that. It was further documented (not just with words as in Powe saying that he can read, he actually read from a newspaper to this writer) that what she said was in fact not true. Which do you believe. Something his mother said or something that he actually did in real life? Does this help? I mean Jesus H Christ try to let it go.

OM has a larger stadium. OM has a new state of the art IPF weight room, training room, lounge etc. OM has a brand new academic center. These are not opinions. These are facts. It is also a fact that MSU does not havethese things. So let me know when I'm giving an opinion?

KennyB.fishingmississi...

What?...

#30

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08/05/08 03:49 PM

OM has a larger stadium. OM has a new state of the art IPF weight room, training room, lounge etc. OM has a brand new academic center. These are not opinions. These are facts. It is also a fact that MSU does not havethese things. So let me know when I'm giving an opinion?

Yes, you have the larger stadium. State also has a state of the art IPF, weight room, training room, and lounge. State's academic center is currently under construction. Any other facts you want to give us?

Agentdog

Nutt's luck

#31

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08/05/08 03:50 PM

Fan of Jordan
Not Michael but Todd

Look at our record to previous to Nutt. Would you want Danny Ford? For whatever reason, we just don't get up for that game.

But just for giggles.......1999, we were robbed by the officials. Flags on every big play we had. 2000, Nutt was lucky in that the weather was sloppy enough for us to miss a chip shot FG to win the game. 2001, Matt Jones, Matt Jones....ripped off a 80 yard run on a busted play very late in the game to give them the go ahead points. From 02-05, we were to bad to compete. Arkansas was to good in 06, 07.

Bottom line, Nutt is a better coach than Orgeron. However, what he did at Arkansas will not equal what he will do at OM.

Porkchop

He definitely takes a

#32

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08/05/08 03:52 PM

Louis Winthorpe III

different view of this:

1. Florida
2. Georgia

than damn near every other football ranking expert person in the galaxy.

Go Dogs!

DiamondReb

I don't want to get into it again but come on

#33

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08/05/08 03:54 PM

KennyB wrote:

OM has a larger stadium. OM has a new state of the art IPF weight room, training room, lounge etc. OM has a brand new academic center. These are not opinions. These are facts. It is also a fact that MSU does not havethese things. So let me know when I'm giving an opinion?

Yes, you have the larger stadium. State also has a state of the art IPF, weight room, training room, and lounge. State's academic center is currently under construction. Any other facts you want to give us?

patdog

I think it's pretty easy to see why you don't want to get into it again.

#34

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08/05/08 04:01 PM

He pretty much owned you (not that he's anywhere near the first).

Liverdawg

Wow...

#35

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08/05/08 04:05 PM

I understand that MSU fans tend to get a bit wooly on this site.....but it is a MSU message board. I dont understand why the naffoomers get so surprised to see that posters make favorable statements about MSU here. I for one could care less what they talk about over at naffoom (i imagine it involves lots of overblown praise of Snead/Nutt). It all comes down to this: Ole Miss and STATE will both be doing very well to win 6-7 games this year. And in order to do so one will have to beat the other. Because the game is in Oxford, the edge goes to them. However, i will say that it is easier to see a scenario where STATE is bowling despite losing that game than it is to see Ole Miss bowling with a loss to STATE.

RebelBruiser

#36

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08/05/08 04:05 PM

Not that there's
anything wrong with that

Porkchop wrote:
different view of this:

1. Florida

2. Georgia

than damn near every other football ranking expert person in the galaxy.

Not really, I've seen quite a few publications pick Florida to win the East and to win the SEC outright. It's rare that you see a team that's pre-season No. 1 in the polls that isn't even picked to win its division in many publications, but a lot of people think that Florida and Georgia are pretty even this year. Both are being considered legit national title contenders. Therefore, I don't necessarily think picking Florida over the No. 1 team in the Coaches' poll discredits him at all.

jakldawg

Well, almost everybody

#37

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08/05/08 04:06 PM

some more expert analysis.

hatfieldms

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08/05/08 04:12 PM

olemiss21 wrote:

Dawg725 wrote:
And C34, why do you and the Ole Miss Rebelettes automatically assume that Nutts is going to continue to dominate MSU? It's not like he has a magical wand and waves it everytime he gets ready to play us. Just because he has left Arkansas doesn't mean he will carry his luck over to red town.

The Egg Bowl is ALWAYS a toss-up. Just like any other rivalry game.

You call this luck:

9

W

11-21-1998

22

Starkville, MS

21

10

L

11-20-1999

9

Little Rock, AR

14

11

L

11-18-2000

10

Starkville, MS

17

12

L

11-17-2001

21

Fayetteville, AR

24

13

L

11-23-2002

19

Starkville, MS

26

14

L

11-22-2003

6

Fayetteville, AR

52

15

L

11-20-2004

21

Starkville, MS

24

16

L

11-19-2005

10

Little Rock, AR

44

17

L

11-18-2006

14

Starkville, MS

28

18

L

11-17-2007

31

Little Rock, AR

45

The only one point game was in 1998 and State won that one. In fact, Nutt beat your two best teams in recent history in 1999 and 2000. Now, he may not be the best coach around, but if State hired a coach that was 9-1 against Ole Miss, it'd worry me.

Does state hiring Cohen worry you? You know since he has beaten Bianco everywhere he has gone? That argument is ridiculous

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