"The Wildcats (40-14, 15-13 Southeastern Conference) have only finished with 40 wins four times in the history of the program, twice under fifth-year
head coach John Cohen, including the school-record of 44 wins during UK's 2006 SEC Championship run. Only four-times in school history has UK
totaled 15 wins in SEC play, setting a school-record in 2006 with 20 wins in conference action."
When did we become so good that a coach that is making a loser into a winner isnt good enough for us? Cause as I look at our 8-20 SEC record this
season, and Polk's losing SEC record since his reurn, I see a loser. Just something to think about.
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Posts: 9476 05/16/08 02:29 AM Peaches |
"I don't think LSU finishes at the bottom of the West, by any stretch, but I think think they have the least chance of winning it." - Bulldogbaja on the upcoming SEC West
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Bob Sacamano |
Coach??? | #1 | ||
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Posts: 1 05/16/08 02:40 AM |
Sincere question... do you think cohen is the best hire that MSU can make?
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Coach34 |
here is my take- | #2 | ||
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Posts: 9477 05/16/08 03:02 AM Peaches |
I dont think we have a chance in hell of hiring Casey, he's a West Coast guy and living his dream. Its about hiring the right coach at the right time for
our current situation. Our situation is this:
1. We need a change of attitude- What is Cohen doing at Kentucky with their losing ass attitude? 2. We need better players, our talent level is down- What has Cohen done at Kentucky? He has raised them from the bottom of the SEC to a contender 3. We need someone that wants to be here awhile- This is Cohen's dream job, he would be here 15 years 4. We need someone that understands the tradition- he helped build it 5. We need a late 30's-early 40's guy- yeah, he fits that too I've never said he should be the only candidate, but i think its going to take one helluva candidate to beat him.
"I don't think LSU finishes at the bottom of the West, by any stretch, but I think think they have the least chance of winning it." - Bulldogbaja on the upcoming SEC West
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Posts: 2 05/16/08 03:09 AM |
He's always seemed like a hell of a candidate... I would be nothing but happy with a Cohen hire... to be honest, i'd be happy with anything other than
a raffo/polk hire, because i see no difference than a raffo hire and what is getting displayed right now... It is late and a little too many drinks to make a
decision without displaying some emotions, but the best thing is that byrne is making the decision and I honestly believe he will choose the best/"most
qualified" candidate for the job.
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dawgoneyall |
Is Cohen the best | #4 | ||
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Posts: 1605 05/16/08 06:30 AM |
coach? Who knows, but he is the best fit for various and numerous reasons.
It has become quite obvious to everyone except Polk that Cohen is a hell of a coach. A proven head coach. People knocking Cohen are idiots. |
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Shmuley |
I've been on the Cohen bandwagon from day one. ... | #5 | ||
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Posts: 180 05/16/08 08:08 AM |
The guy is smart. The guy is aggressive. The guy is impressive. The guy can recruit. The guy can take a down program and turn it around quickly.
The fact that he played here, got fed the BBQ, knows the atmosphere, understands the tradition, knows all about the sacred cows ... all of that shit is just gravy. I'm so ready for a hard charger to come in here and run the pussies and their coddled parents OFF. Damn, let's clean out the estrogen and put some testosterone on the field. I'm ready for some hard-nosed, cleats first, charge the mound if necessary, thoroughbreds - guys that played like Cohen did. Thankfully the estrogen queen is hanging up her spikes Saturday, so now she can devote her full time to thank you notes. |
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jwbigcreek |
First... | #6 | ||
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Posts: 133 05/16/08 08:12 AM |
I'd be happy with Cohen (no complaints whatsoever). That said, he does tend to play a very weak OOC schedule which helps to pad wins. REGARDLESS, you
can't take away the fact that he has 1/2 UK's 40 win seasons.
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8Dog |
I doubt Kentucky... | #7 | ||
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Posts: 3986 05/16/08 08:17 AM Moderator |
has ever played a rigorous non-conference schedule so he's basically dealing with the same hand his predecessors did.
And I think Coach34's checklist is spot on. |
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8Dog |
Another stat... | #8 | ||
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Posts: 3987 05/16/08 08:29 AM Moderator |
over the last 3 years (through last night), the top 5 programs in terms of regular season conference wins:
Vandy 53 Arkansas 49 Bama 49 Kentucky 48 Georgia 48 Ole Miss 47 Lottery state schools TN and LSU were not anywhere close. |
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Todd4State |
He also plays | #9 | ||
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Posts: 1052 05/16/08 08:30 AM |
jwbigcreek wrote: Louisville home and home and South Alabama, who we also played. Plus, he also has 15 SEC wins out of his 40.
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Stormrider81 |
I'm not a Cohen basher | #10 | ||
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Posts: 9357 05/16/08 08:34 AM |
I have stated that there are candidates out there that are more proven than Cohen and thus would be higher on my list. That said, I've been a fan of Cohen
for quite some time and would be nothing but thrilled with a Cohen hire.
You can like Cohen and be thrilled with the prospect of hiring him without having him on the top of your list. |
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JacksonDevilDog |
RE: Kentucky OOC schedule | #11 | ||
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Posts: 1091 05/16/08 08:37 AM |
I agree about the Kentucky weak non conference schedule:
Signed, Some of MSU's low ranked RPI teams Air Force (rpi 271) UALR (233) MVSU (256) Austin Peay (228) Memphis (182) UAB (159) |
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Goat Holder |
Couldn't have said it any better. He's always been my #1 candidate* | #12 | ||
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Posts: 3014 05/16/08 08:38 AM |
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"You believe a 4-seed Fresno State was as talented through and through as Georgia (top SS, top closer, and several other
draftees)?" - WillemWallace, 7-10-08, just weeks after Fresno State outscored Georgia 31-18 in the College World Series Finals to win the National
Championship.
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DowntownDawg |
Is a Cohen basher the baseball version of a "Croomster" | #13 | ||
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Posts: 339 05/16/08 08:48 AM |
...or whatever your stupid little nickname was for people who cheered for State this season in football?
Seriously man, get off it. There's plenty of people who would fine with Cohen but think we could do better, and to you they are "Cohen bashers." How moronic is that? This year is important for my perception of Cohen. Even if you write off his first two years, and Year 3 was "Year 1," he needed to have a good year this year to prove that that SEC Championship run was not a fluke. And for a while he was under .500 and in danger of missing the tournament. They appear to have turned it around, and I honestly care more about what Kentucky does than what we do this weekend. I want to see Cohen do well in the SEC tournament, and at least make a little noise in the NCAA's so that I can feel good about him coming, because I still feel like it's going to be him when it's all said and done. "Am I the only one, besides JR, that really won't care if Gordon goes pro?" - Goat Holder 4/1/08"I wish some of you idiots would realize that Ben and Barry are NOTHING without Gordon. NOTHING. They
suck, and you will find that out next year. Gordon influenced our whole team, probably 80% of the time it was good. JR, Downtown, fishwater, you are some of
the dumbest SOB's alive." - Goat Holder 4/10/08
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Goat Holder |
He's talking about cowbell9..... | #14 | ||
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Posts: 3015 05/16/08 08:55 AM |
and a few others who ARE bonified Cohen bashers.
"You believe a 4-seed Fresno State was as talented through and through as Georgia (top SS, top closer, and several other
draftees)?" - WillemWallace, 7-10-08, just weeks after Fresno State outscored Georgia 31-18 in the College World Series Finals to win the National
Championship.
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cowbell9 |
Basher? Because I question his achievements? ........ | #15 | ||
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Posts: 4248 05/16/08 09:10 AM |
Dont be an idiot. I think we can do better, thats all.
"A loss will be good for us in the long run"
Frances Drebin "I've had a handfull of man-crushes with players" Rebelbruiser 1/30/08 |
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Goat Holder |
I think we maybe could do better....... | #16 | ||
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Posts: 3017 05/16/08 09:24 AM |
but for the money, and the enthusiasm he'd bring to the table, I think he's the best hire. If there's ANYTHING we need in Starkville, it's
excitement. Noone cares about the baseball team anymore. I bet they don't even get laid by the cleat chasers anymore.
"You believe a 4-seed Fresno State was as talented through and through as Georgia (top SS, top closer, and several other
draftees)?" - WillemWallace, 7-10-08, just weeks after Fresno State outscored Georgia 31-18 in the College World Series Finals to win the National
Championship.
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Posts: 1233 05/16/08 09:53 AM |
8Dog wrote: Georgia: Hope Scholarship If you think education is expensive, try ignorance! |
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8Dog |
I know that... | #18 | ||
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Posts: 3990 05/16/08 09:56 AM Moderator |
the 3 easiest to obtain academic scholarships are TN's lottery funded one, TOPS and HOPE. I find it ironic that they are such advantages yet, TN and LSU
aren't even in the top 5. That was the point.
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Posts: 901 05/16/08 11:37 AM |
DowntownDawg wrote: I've been there for a while now. Cohen is in my top 2 or 3 choices and I've been watching UK baseball every time they've been on tv this season. The more I watch, the more I think he could turn things around and make everybody forget the legend in a short amount of time. |
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Posts: 7523 05/16/08 03:33 PM |
DowntownDawg wrote:What a total dumbass statement. Even IF you write off his first two years??? Really??? You do realize he took over the WORST baseball school in the conference and they had won a total of 22 SEC games in the last THREE years when he was hired, and you're even suggesting that you might not write off his first two years! Not to mention that when he was hired (as with all college baseball coaches), it was too late to even recruit his own freshmen for his first season. |
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DowntownDawg |
Where the @#$%, you menstrating woman, did I | #21 | ||
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Posts: 341 05/16/08 04:14 PM |
"suggest that you not write off his first two years"? All I am saying is that if you start at 2006, he needed to have a good year this year to make
me feel comfortable that he is building a winner, and hey, it looks like that is going to happen. I am pulling for him. I hope it happens, because I give it
about an 85% chance of him being our next coach.
If he hadn't had a good year this year, then you would have a coach that had one great year in 3 (really 5, but giving the benefit of the doubt), and that is not good enough for me at Mississippi State in baseball. Analogy. If you are Alabama and you need a football coach, and one of your former players comes into Vandy and goes 2-10, 3-9, 10-2, 5-7, 7-5, then you consider the guy. In fact, you feel pretty good that he has truly turned Vandy around and that that one year was not just a flash in the pan. However, if he goes 2-10,3-9,10-2,5-7,5-7, then you aren't sure. That's one good year in 3, even if you write off the first two, which is fair to do, considering it's Vandy. At Alabama, you think you can probably do better than that. You ask yourself, would you even consider him if he wasn't a former player? Is that clear enough for you? Is that hard? That's all I'm saying. "Am I the only one, besides JR, that really won't care if Gordon goes pro?" - Goat Holder 4/1/08"I wish some of you idiots would realize that Ben and Barry are NOTHING without Gordon. NOTHING. They
suck, and you will find that out next year. Gordon influenced our whole team, probably 80% of the time it was good. JR, Downtown, fishwater, you are some of
the dumbest SOB's alive." - Goat Holder 4/10/08
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jwbigcreek |
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