Lets say we go 5-7 in 2008 and have another 100+ ranked offense. Crooms refuses to fire Woody after the season. Does Crooms have to have a winning season in
2009 to keep his job?
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Posts: 9451 05/14/08 10:48 AM Peaches |
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 Goat Holder |
That's hard to say...... | #1 | ||
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Posts: 2987 05/14/08 10:51 AM |
an abysmal offense AND a losing record would get people talking. But if he wins I don't care what his offense looks like.
But to answer your question, no I don't think he'll be on the hot seat unless he gets blown out in most of those losses OR loses to Tech or somebody.
"You believe a 4-seed Fresno State was as talented through and through as Georgia (top SS, top closer, and several other
draftees)?" - WillemWallace, 7-10-08, just weeks after Fresno State outscored Georgia 31-18 in the College World Series Finals to win the National
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dawgstudent |
Absolutely** | #2 | ||
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DowntownDawg |
I think so.... | #3 | ||
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Posts: 328 05/14/08 10:55 AM |
...although I don't know what the administration would think. At the end of the day, though, if you are coming off of 4 losing seasons in your first 5
years, you'd better put together a winner in year 6.
"Am I the only one, besides JR, that really won't care if Gordon goes pro?" - Goat Holder 4/1/08"I wish some of you idiots would realize that Ben and Barry are NOTHING without Gordon. NOTHING. They
suck, and you will find that out next year. Gordon influenced our whole team, probably 80% of the time it was good. JR, Downtown, fishwater, you are some of
the dumbest SOB's alive." - Goat Holder 4/10/08
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8Dog |
no... | #4 | ||
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Posts: 3973 05/14/08 10:56 AM Moderator |
he has clearly bought at least 3 years with last season. If we go 5-7, 5-7, there is no chance Byrne fires him.
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dawgstudent |
Seriously, one winning season in 6 years and you don't let him go?** | #5 | ||
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8Dog |
The question was not whether I would let him go... | #6 | ||
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Posts: 3974 05/14/08 11:00 AM Moderator |
it was whether he was playing for his job or not in 09. That is not a decision I get to make. And he won't be playing for his job in 09 under the scenario
given.
One big thing to realize is that last year basically means that the coaching circles and many state fans will still believe that croom's first 3 years are Sherrill's fault. He basically cleared himself of responsibility for 04-06 with last year in many people's minds. |
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dawgstudent |
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Posts: 12007 05/14/08 11:07 AM The Godfather |
If he goes 5-7 in 08, he will be playing for his job in 09. Because to me, if he has another losing season in 09, he is gone.
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saltybulldog |
That would be my feelings. | #8 | ||
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Posts: 3115 05/14/08 11:08 AM |
As far as I am concerned this has been "Croom's team" for 2 years now. If he has a losing season this year and one in 2009 that would have to be
the worst record of any State coach.
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Irondawg |
The problem he's got in your scenario | #9 | ||
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Posts: 449 05/14/08 11:08 AM |
Is that he keeps talking about how the offense will be better. Last year some people gave him a mulligan b/c of the freshman QB. He won't have that this
year and he's got veteran receivers and RB's as well. So not much excuse this year for not at least cracking the top 100.
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Sigh...back in the known universe, where most of us live | #10 | ||
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Posts: 3343 05/14/08 11:08 AM Our NJReb |
You dont/cant fire the consensus SEC coach of the year the years after being consensus Coach of the year for finishing 1 game under .500.
Not to mention someone that currently has a two game winning streak over Alabama, and a one game winning steak over Nick Saban. I am not making the mistake of the Polk or former JWS worshippers and saying that we shouldnt keep the expectations of Croom to field a winning season every year, and be disapointed when he doesnt. But it would be impossible to fire him, and its should be. Now in the circumstances you described could we all be super critical of Croom? and disapointed? You bet. Should we let him know that a year with those circumstances should be scored as a failure? You bet, but firing is completely off the table.
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DowntownDawg |
I think he almost has a total pass in 2008... | #11 | ||
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Posts: 331 05/14/08 11:09 AM |
....but if has two consecutive losing seasons, he's still had losing seasons 2 out of 3 years even if you don't count 04-06. That's just not good
enough.
I don't know if the administration will let him go, but I sure would. And I think Byrne just might. Hell, nobody wants to do it. Everybody (except Peaches) is pulling for him. "Am I the only one, besides JR, that really won't care if Gordon goes pro?" - Goat Holder 4/1/08"I wish some of you idiots would realize that Ben and Barry are NOTHING without Gordon. NOTHING. They
suck, and you will find that out next year. Gordon influenced our whole team, probably 80% of the time it was good. JR, Downtown, fishwater, you are some of
the dumbest SOB's alive." - Goat Holder 4/10/08
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Posts: 1072 05/14/08 11:12 AM |
I completely agree with JR. 5-7 would actually keep a large part of the fanbase in the, "well at least we didn't go 3-9 mode." I call it the Polk
mentality. The only way he gets fired is if you see a 2-10 or 3-9 season with humiliating defeats in large numbers.
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Goat Holder |
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Posts: 2990 05/14/08 11:15 AM |
Everyone was begging for 5 wins after 2006. 5 wins in '08 coupled with 5 wins in '09 will NOT get Croom fired, and it shouldn't, given the loss of
personnel we will have after '08 and what he's done so far. He will probably be on the seat in '10.
Now if we tank both seasons, maybe. You can't just classify it as losing or winning seasons, in this case. Lot of difference in 3 wins and 5 wins. Plus, our athletic department is completely committed to Croom turning this around, LT or not.
"You believe a 4-seed Fresno State was as talented through and through as Georgia (top SS, top closer, and several other
draftees)?" - WillemWallace, 7-10-08, just weeks after Fresno State outscored Georgia 31-18 in the College World Series Finals to win the National
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Posts: 12009 05/14/08 11:18 AM The Godfather |
With a 12 game schedule, no excuse for anything less than 6-6. I have said that since the day he was hired. Now expectations differ depending on the previous
year. Take last year for instance, we just wanted improvement but were pleasantly surprised. To go from 8-5 to two straight years of not going to a bowl
using Coach's scenario is worthy of termination.
And considering the fact that this is year 5 and next year would be year 6, 1 winning seasons in 6 years is not good enough.
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i think he would be playing for his job in 2009... | #15 | ||
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Posts: 9452 05/14/08 11:26 AM Peaches |
Byrne is showing he isnt the "typical" State AD.
Losing season this year gives Crooms one winning season in 5. Should he not win in 2009, that 1 out of 6. I dont think he would return. Reason? Because the offense wouldnt be any better than the first day he was hired. How can someone not improve something he coaches in 6 seasons?
"I don't think LSU finishes at the bottom of the West, by any stretch, but I think think they have the least chance of winning it." - Bulldogbaja on the upcoming SEC West
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Posts: 332 05/14/08 11:28 AM |
5 wins in '09 will NOT get Croom fired, and it shouldn't, given the loss of personnel we will have after '08He is responsible for that loss of personnel in the way that he recruited. Losing players and having a down year after losing a lot of players is commonly excused when the team was good the previous year. You can't be sub .500 in 2008 and lose a bunch of players and then be sub .500 in 2009, and justify 2009's bad season by saying that you lost a bunch of players. It just doesn't work like that. "Am I the only one, besides JR, that really won't care if Gordon goes pro?" - Goat Holder 4/1/08"I wish some of you idiots would realize that Ben and Barry are NOTHING without Gordon. NOTHING. They
suck, and you will find that out next year. Gordon influenced our whole team, probably 80% of the time it was good. JR, Downtown, fishwater, you are some of
the dumbest SOB's alive." - Goat Holder 4/10/08
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I guess I come from a line of thinking..... | #17 | ||
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Posts: 2991 05/14/08 11:30 AM |
that we needed a complete makeover from the ground up. I like to compare our situation to Schiano at Rutgers. Stick to a plan to build upwards. I don't want last year to skew my expectations of where we should be at this point, because we all know, whether we want to admit it, that in a utopia our team last year was probably a 5 or 6 win team. You have to take into consideration the luck factor swaying your record. BUT, I love what Croom is doing. We have quality depth and adding talent, we have players who WANT to be at MSU, and it honestly seems like they are
working hard and buying into our program philosophy. We don't have any more discipline problem than anyone else. And we are steadily improving. These
things are hard to see back when we're losing.
"You believe a 4-seed Fresno State was as talented through and through as Georgia (top SS, top closer, and several other
draftees)?" - WillemWallace, 7-10-08, just weeks after Fresno State outscored Georgia 31-18 in the College World Series Finals to win the National
Championship.
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Posts: 3344 05/14/08 11:32 AM Our NJReb |
i HOPE he would be playing for his job in 2009, because I want him fired anyway.
there...fixed.
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Coach34 |
and let me help you JR... | #19 | ||
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Posts: 9455 05/14/08 11:35 AM Peaches |
I HOPE he will be playing for his job in 2009, because I want any coach fired that has 1 winning
season out of 6.
Now go 17 yourself
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Posts: 1198 05/14/08 11:38 AM |
JR wrote:Further confirmation that you are the dumbest poster on the interwebs.
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Goat Holder |
I guess we should just hire this guy then.... | #21 | ||
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Posts: 2995 05/14/08 11:45 AM |
"You believe a 4-seed Fresno State was as talented through and through as Georgia (top SS, top closer, and several other
draftees)?" - WillemWallace, 7-10-08, just weeks after Fresno State outscored Georgia 31-18 in the College World Series Finals to win the National
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