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Buy/Sell J-Money is best BBall player in MSU History.... |
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Posts: 1268 04/10/08 01:29 PM |
Sell
Howell, Malone, Dampier, Roberts to name a few were better.. If he comes back and improves his ball handling skills(turnovers), shot selection, and outside shot, you never know..
We were completely outplayed, outcoached, outhustled by a team with less talent that had already played 45 minutes of basketball just 8 hours earlier.
Completely inexcusable loss. .... MSUConstanza
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Stormrider81 |
Sell, Howell is the best | #21 | ||
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Posts: 9150 04/10/08 02:48 PM |
Gordon is among the best we've ever had, above Roberts, Wilson, and Austin. His place with respect to Jones is highly debatable.
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Hanmudog |
Again Coach. | #22 | ||
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Posts: 3168 04/10/08 02:51 PM |
You are putting way too much emphasis on Sweet 16's or Elite 8's. The Sweet 16 team beat a nobody and Utah didn't they? We got a good draw that
season and then got hammered against UCLA in the Sweet 16. That does not validate anything about a player. If that 95 team ran into this year's Memphis
team then they would not have sniffed a Sweet 16 and conversely this year's team would have likely been in a Sweet 16 in 95 as well. It is all about the
draw.
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SanfordRJones |
Hey Coach | #23 | ||
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Posts: 205 04/10/08 02:55 PM |
Insert your comment about being an 8-seed having to play Memphis in the first place here.
"I'm the Dude. So that's what you call me. You know, that or uh, His Dudeness, or uh, Duder, or El Duderino if you're not into the whole brevity thing." -The Dude |
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dawgpound11 |
Good Murray article on the 1996 team... | #24 | ||
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Posts: 2810 04/10/08 03:00 PM Captain of the Short Bus |
You've got to find somebody who likes the same stuff. Like, if you like sports, she should like it that you like sports, and she should keep the chips and dip coming.
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DowntownDawg |
Depends on how much you value | #25 | ||
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Posts: 180 04/10/08 03:06 PM |
intangibles and little things like leadership ability, clutch shooting, free throw shooting, decision making vs. raw athletic ability.
It just hit me, but as patdog said, but Wilson on THIS team, and we're final four caliber. However, what if you take Wilson off the 96 team? That team compares fairly reasonably to 2008. Where would they have been without Wilson? Dontae, who was by far, the most athletically gifted player on that team would not've gotten us to a final four, or even a sweet 16 without Wilson. And Jamont is much more comparable to Dontae. Great player, best athlete on the team, but not particularly smart, and not a great leader. Seriously, 2008 was a 00 and some breaks away from San Antonio, and without Wilson in 1996, we're about an 8 seed losing to a 1 in the second round. "Am I the only one, besides JR, that really won't care if Gordon goes pro?" - Goat Holder 4/1/08"I wish some of you idiots would realize that Ben and Barry are NOTHING without Gordon. NOTHING. They
suck, and you will find that out next year. Gordon influenced our whole team, probably 80% of the time it was good. JR, Downtown, fishwater, you are some of
the dumbest SOB's alive." - Goat Holder 4/10/08
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Coach34 |
why were we an 8-seed? | #26 | ||
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Posts: 9211 04/10/08 03:12 PM |
Why did we have to play Memphis?
"I don't think LSU finishes at the bottom of the West, by any stretch, but I think think they have the least chance of winning it." - Bulldogbaja on the upcoming SEC West
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Stormrider81 |
Because the Delks transferrred | #27 | ||
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Posts: 9152 04/10/08 03:14 PM |
If they stay and play team ball we don't lose 5 games.
Note: I'm not excusing our early losses. In fact I was and still am critical of Stansbury for losing to the likes of Miami (OH). |
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Porkchop |
You are lovin' you some Jamoney, aintcha. | #28 | ||
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Posts: 199 04/10/08 03:15 PM Louis Winthorpe III |
nfm
Go Dogs! |
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Hanmudog |
Uh.... | #29 | ||
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Posts: 3169 04/10/08 03:18 PM |
Slow start due to no depth and facing tough competition early on was the reason for the 8 seed. You should also note that neither the Final 4 team or the
Sweet 16 team went 12-4 in the SEC.
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Posts: 9153 04/10/08 03:19 PM |
But if you add Wilson and subtract Jamont from this team they wouldn't have even been in the NCAA Tournament. That's no shot at Wilson, but rather a
realization of all the things Jamont does for this team, including creating shot for himself and others.
Now, I will fully agree that if you added Wilson to this team keeping Jamont, we could have made quite a run. All this team really missed was a consistent outside shooter. You add Wilson and then either Ben or Barry come off the bench and you have that consistent shooter for Jamont to dish to and to keep the D off of Rhodes and V. |
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Stormrider81 |
I recognize what he has done for us, unlike so many others | #31 | ||
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Posts: 9154 04/10/08 03:21 PM |
The guy takes stupid shots sometimes, but crap man if we didn't have him we wouldn't have sniffed an SEC West title or an NCAA berth the past two
years. Outside sources have a better understanding of what he does for us than our own fanbase.
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Posts: 574 04/10/08 03:26 PM |
Sell.
I'm going with Bailey Howell. I didn't see him play, but he has some sick numbers. Jeff Malone is up there. My personal favorite player of all time is Timmy Bowers- I know that belongs in another thread, but I just feel compelled to type it for some reason. Dontae Jones had the best single game performance I've ever seen from an MSU player. However, when you look at the entire body of work, he isn't as good as some of the others mentioned. |
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Porkchop |
Well, recognizing his value, his | #33 | ||
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Posts: 201 04/10/08 03:26 PM Louis Winthorpe III |
contribution, and our desire for him to return are a little different than placing him in the pantheon of all-time greats.
My only disagreement with you is where he fits on the all time greatest player list. I really don't know where he fits, but I know I don't think he fits where you think he does. I don't believe he will be a successful NBA point guard. Perhaps that clarifies my position on him somewhat. Go Dogs! |
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DowntownDawg |
Interesting.... | #34 | ||
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Posts: 181 04/10/08 03:36 PM |
But if you add Wilson and subtract Jamont from this team they wouldn't have even been in the NCAA Tournament.Of course, at this point, we're past the point of ridiculous speculation, but I would think that a team with Darryl Wilson, Charles Rhodes, and Jarvis Varnado would be a tournament team. Surely. But then again, this team should've been about a 4 seed, so it's all speculation. "Am I the only one, besides JR, that really won't care if Gordon goes pro?" - Goat Holder 4/1/08"I wish some of you idiots would realize that Ben and Barry are NOTHING without Gordon. NOTHING. They
suck, and you will find that out next year. Gordon influenced our whole team, probably 80% of the time it was good. JR, Downtown, fishwater, you are some of
the dumbest SOB's alive." - Goat Holder 4/10/08
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collinsmc |
Dontae Jones is the most "talented" player ever... | #35 | ||
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Posts: 18 04/10/08 04:10 PM |
He had no work ethic or drive to be a pro but in terms of sheer talent, he's the best ever...
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Hanmudog |
The thing with Dontae. | #36 | ||
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Posts: 3170 04/10/08 04:14 PM |
Dontae only really played well for about a month at MSU. It is hard to really accept him as an "all time great". Now had he played that way for say
two entire seasons then this whole discussion would be pointless because there would not be much doubt about Dontae Jones being the best ever at MSU.
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KDawg12 |
Sell | #37 | ||
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Posts: 12 04/10/08 04:25 PM |
Sell even though if he comes back he will break some school records
Howell is the best |
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MaxwellSmart |
Sell | #38 | ||
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Posts: 861 04/10/08 05:40 PM |
Ignersky without a doubt.
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Posts: 31 04/10/08 08:24 PM |
Stormrider81 wrote: Bingo!!! We have jackasses here that are getting into pissing matches because some of us MSU fans appreciate a good player. Goddamn, we had 2 guards that
were lucky to score 10 in a game, yet we continue to dog Jamont for "hogging the ball". If he was playing alongside Darryl Wilson, sure you
don't want Jamont jacking up 20 shots, but shit he was playing with Ben and Randy for christsakes. Until Charles went on his tear to end the season,
Jamont was the team's leading scorer for the entire season. The almighty deity that is Hansbrough had SIXTEEN single digit scoring games this year and
Randy was hardly a presence on the floor in the last half of the season.
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LightninInside |
Sell | #40 | ||
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Posts: 9 04/10/08 09:07 PM |
Zimmerman, Bowers, Dontae, Wilson, Dampier, Varnado are my favorites. Not saying he isn't a good ball player, he just needs to tighten up his game a bit. I think with some decent gym time his shot will improve immensly and he won't be so sloppy. The major task that Stans has in front of him is to get him to play with more urgency, less palming and overall sharper gameplay. Best ever seems to be a bait type of post, but it is still worth discussing. |
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| Buy/Sell J-Money is best BBall player in MSU History.... | 04/10/08 01:29 PM | fishwater99 |
| Sell....and you are the essence of a one trick pony | 04/10/08 01:34 PM |
