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PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA	*Soccer Post: USA vs Spain starting now on ESPN*		Lead	[-]
Posts: 7048 06/24/09 12:24 PM	Tags : None United States ----------------Howard Spector--DeMerit--Onyewu--Bocanegra Dempsey--Bradley--Clark--Donovan -----------Davies---Altidore Spain --------------Casillas Ramos--Puyol--Pique--Capdevila Fabregas--Alonso--Xavi--Riera ------------Torres--Villa
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dawgstudent	Donovan's play is a microcosm...	#61	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17094 06/25/09 06:43 AM The Godfather	of the US soccer. Every once in a while, he plays a game where he deserves being called a captain. Until it's consistent, I will put him in the same boat as the US team. I support the two most frustrating teams in America: The New Orleans Saints and the Mississippi State Bulldogs.
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patdog	Not a bad point there.	#62	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11674 06/25/09 07:08 AM	Both Donovan and the USA team as a whole can be wildly inconsistent. When they're playing good, they're pretty damn good. When they're playing bad, it can get brutal.
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dawgstudent	Then you disagreed with a lot of analysts...	#63	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17097 06/25/09 07:14 AM The Godfather	especially after 2002. I support the two most frustrating teams in America: The New Orleans Saints and the Mississippi State Bulldogs.
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patdog	Nobody who know anything about soccer	#64	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11678 06/25/09 08:42 AM	thought we were one of the best 10 teams in the world after 2002. We drew freaking Mexico in the round of 16. How luckier of a break could we have possibly asked for? We got drilled by a very mediocre Poland team 3-1 during that World Cup. The network hyped us pretty big time before the World Cup based on the FIFA ranking that everyone knew was bullshit. They kind of had a vested interest in doing that because that was the best way to try to generate ratings and get themselves paid.
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dawgstudent	I can't wait...	#65	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17104 06/25/09 08:43 AM The Godfather	to hit a tennis ball at your nuts on Sunday. I don't think we are a top 10 team now. We won one big game - albeit aGAINST the #1 team in the world - but it's one game. In no way does this prove we are a top 10 team. I support the two most frustrating teams in America: The New Orleans Saints and the Mississippi State Bulldogs.
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patdog	The ELO soccer ratings, which have historicallily been much more accurate than the old FIFA ratings,	#66	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11680 06/25/09 08:58 AM	disagree with you. They rank us #9 in the world today. In 120 years of soccer, they've never ranked us higher than #11 until now. The new FIFA rankings (which are much more accurate than the old ones) should put us either in the top 10 or damn close to it when they are updated. As for tennis, considering your control over the ball, my nuts couldn't possibly be any safer. BTW, Spain has fallen from #1 to #2 in the ELO ratings. The new #1 is Brazil. So by their ranking system, we'll play our second #1 team in 5 days when we play Brazil on Sunday. Last Edited By: patdog 06/25/09 09:19 AM. Edited 1 time.
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dawgstudent	If we somehow beat Brazil...	#67	[url]	[-]
Posts: 17105 06/25/09 09:33 AM The Godfather	or play a good game, then we are on to something. And my erratic aim is what makes it all the more worthwhile. I support the two most frustrating teams in America: The New Orleans Saints and the Mississippi State Bulldogs. Last Edited By: dawgstudent 06/25/09 09:40 AM. Edited 2 times.
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patdog	No freaking way we beat Brazil.	#68	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11682 06/25/09 10:09 AM	Of course, I said the same thing about Spain this time yesterday. But yeah, you're right, if we somehow even play them to within a goal I'm going to be feeling pretty good about this team.
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Uncle Leo	Not so sure...	#69	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2109 06/25/09 10:43 AM	patdog wrote: The new FIFA rankings (which are much more accurate than the old ones) should put us either in the top 10 or damn close to it when they are updated. According to the wiki explanation, "a country's points are the average of all matches played over the past four years (with decreasing contribution)..." The four factors used for each match are: 1) match result, 2) match status, 3) opposition strength, and 4) regional strength. Unless I'm misunderstanding or miscalculating something... We'll get zero points for each of the first two matches in the Confed Cup. For beating Egypt, we'll get 1224 points (3x3x1.6x0.85x100). For beating Spain, we'll get 1657 points (3x3x1.99x0.925x100). IF we miraculously beat Brazil, we'll get 1615 points (3x3x1.95x0.92x100). The average of those five results is 899, less than our current rating of 947 points. So our five games in the Confed Cup, regardless of the result against Brazil, will bring our average down. It's hard to bring those two zeros up. There's someone in my head but it's not me.
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VegasDawg13	Something's not right on that page.	#70	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1003 06/25/09 11:30 AM	According to the formula they give, if Spain played every match against the #2 team in the world, and every one of those were in the Confederations Cup or the Euro tournament (which is obviously impossible), and won all of these games, no ties, and all of the matches were against other UEFA, then and only then they would average 1782 points (the max the number one team can get from a non-World Cup game). And that has them as averaging almost that amount, which is impossible.
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Uncle Leo	I had a feeling something wasn't adding up.	#71	[url]	[-]
Posts: 2110 06/26/09 11:29 AM	Later in that wiki explanation, it says this: The average ranking points for the four previous years, weighted by their multiplier mentioned above, are added together to arrive at the final ranking points. So, the average from the last year counts fully. To that, you add half the average from 2 years ago... and so on... to arrive at the final ranking points. Makes sense now. There's someone in my head but it's not me.
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skb124.nafoom		#72	[url]	[-]
Posts: 35 06/26/09 12:19 PM	Question, what ever happened to Eddie Johnson? He was supposed to be the next big striker going in to the last world cup.
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patdog	Turned out he sucked.	#73	[url]	[-]
Posts: 11699 06/26/09 12:23 PM	Scored something like 7 goals in his first 5 games (including a hat trick), then dropped off the face of the earth.
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eurotrash	Eddie had an o.k. season at Cardiff	#74	[url]	[-]
Posts: 28 06/26/09 02:27 PM	Considering how awful he's been outside of MLS matches. Thought he might get a Gold Cup call but not the case. Hopefully Cooper will shine and force Bradley's hand. Also, some harsh criticism of Beasley on this site (and elsewhere). He's been a fixture and major contributor since 2002. But, too many injuries have slowed his speed and he was never that skilled to begin with. He clearly is not national team material. But I don't fault him. I blame Bradley. He's the one who picked him and even played him out of position when everyone else could tell that Beasley is done at this level.
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Sutterkane woya	I'd like to think so, but Brazil just kicked our ass a few days ago	#75	[url]	[-]
Posts: 1261 06/26/09 02:33 PM	We also went 1-2 in round robin play and had to have a practical miracle happen in order to make the knockout round. Let's see how we do Sunday. If we show up and keep it close or win, then I'll get on board with that. BTO bet Saddawg $20 to the SPS chest that Ole Miss wins the SECW this year like State did in 98, not like OM did in 2003.
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*Soccer Post: USA vs Spain starting now on ESPN*	06/24/09 12:24 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
Should be a pretty easy game today (for Spain).	06/24/09 12:30 PM	patdog
If you can see it, I'm sure it is on "justin.tv" somewhere.	06/24/09 12:41 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
And Donovan has a yellow already. Crap card. Good call on foul, but crap card!	06/24/09 12:42 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
only thing	06/24/09 12:54 PM	KurtRambis4
You can watch it here.....	06/24/09 01:02 PM	qbdog
espn's gamecast is pretty good, too, if you can't get the video.	06/24/09 01:24 PM	lawdawg02
Translation error?	06/24/09 01:33 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
GOAL USA!!!!! ALTIDORE!!!!	06/24/09 12:58 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
nice shielding	06/24/09 01:01 PM	KurtRambis4
I'm telling you - do the Deion Primetime dance**	06/24/09 01:02 PM	dawgstudent
that would be nice.	06/24/09 01:14 PM	lawdawg02
kid's got potential. he's just very raw.	06/24/09 01:03 PM	Sutterkane woya
Re: *Soccer Post: USA vs Spain starting now on ESPN*	06/24/09 01:15 PM	CEO2044
Here we go....hold up sphincter	06/24/09 01:32 PM	Sutterkane woya
No shit! This could be a long second half!!!	06/24/09 01:34 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
70 mins!!	06/24/09 01:56 PM	msudawg12
HOLY SHIT!!	06/24/09 02:01 PM	msudawg12
HOLY SHIT!!!! PATDOG, YOU ARE GOING TO KICK YOURSELF!!!	06/24/09 02:01 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
Trust me. I am kicking myself.	06/24/09 02:03 PM	patdog
It is being replayed tonight on ESPN...I think at 11 PM.	06/24/09 02:05 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
Looks like I'll be staying up late tonight.	06/24/09 02:11 PM	patdog
replay at 10 on the deuce and deuce HD.	06/24/09 02:08 PM	lawdawg02
HOLY SHIT!!	06/24/09 02:01 PM	msudawg12
*Why do soccer posts get so many 17ing asterisks?*	06/24/09 02:01 PM	wbc40
GOAL DEMPSEY!! 73rd Minute!	06/24/09 02:01 PM	hullabaloodog
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!	06/24/09 02:02 PM	Sutterkane woya
No way!	06/24/09 02:01 PM	TheBigBadDawg
WOW.	06/24/09 02:02 PM	BCash
If you don't know who that is, that is John Harkes. This US team would	06/24/09 02:07 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
those watching: estimations on extra time?	06/24/09 02:11 PM	Sutterkane woya
2 minutes, 3 tops. As of now. (nm)	06/24/09 02:12 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
I HATE REFS! Straight red for Michael Bradley, crap card! Foul, but not a red!	06/24/09 02:13 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
BULLSHIT!	06/24/09 02:13 PM	msudawg12
ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE!!!	06/24/09 02:20 PM	msudawg12
Anyone take USA +900 today?	06/24/09 02:22 PM	RobbieRandolph
I put $100 on it**	06/24/09 02:26 PM	dawgstudent
I'm sure at least one poster, we all know who, will tell us how he has won	06/24/09 02:26 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
Re: *Soccer Post: USA vs Spain starting now on ESPN*	06/24/09 02:49 PM	CEO2044
that was awesome	06/24/09 03:09 PM	jsireland
oh, also	06/24/09 03:11 PM	jsireland
Absolutely.	06/24/09 04:08 PM	LTblows
We should erect a statue in Howard's honor	06/24/09 04:12 PM	LTblows
No way man. According to GoState662's dubmass,	06/24/09 05:17 PM	JohnDawg
I was hoping someone else would remember that.	06/24/09 05:26 PM	MSUCostanza
Alright, maybe a bit overboard with the statue,	06/24/09 06:46 PM	LTblows
while	06/24/09 05:56 PM	KurtRambis4
The one thing the USA does have going for it in soccer	06/24/09 08:06 PM	patdog
Unbelievable..	06/24/09 04:53 PM	MSUCostanza
Slow down there chief**	06/24/09 05:45 PM	dawgstudent
Why?	06/24/09 05:52 PM	MSUCostanza
Once we get there, I'll look back and remember this.	06/24/09 07:31 PM	PosterFormerlyKnownAsRFAA
Re: *Soccer Post: USA vs Spain starting now on ESPN*	06/24/09 08:21 PM	patdog
Outstanding game.	06/24/09 09:03 PM	Uncle Leo
I agree...	06/24/09 09:12 PM	MSUCostanza
I must say.....	06/24/09 09:33 PM	Liverdawg
Donovan's play is a microcosm...	06/25/09 06:43 AM	dawgstudent
Not a bad point there.	06/25/09 07:08 AM	patdog
See 1994 and 2002...	06/24/09 07:49 PM	dawgstudent
Not so slow.	06/24/09 08:16 PM	patdog
Great...	06/24/09 09:14 PM	dawgstudent
I can honestly tell you that I have never thought the USA was ready to take that "next step"	06/24/09 10:17 PM	patdog
Then you disagreed with a lot of analysts...	06/25/09 07:14 AM	dawgstudent
Nobody who know anything about soccer	06/25/09 08:42 AM	patdog
I can't wait...	06/25/09 08:43 AM	dawgstudent
The ELO soccer ratings, which have historicallily been much more accurate than the old FIFA ratings,	06/25/09 08:58 AM	patdog
If we somehow beat Brazil...	06/25/09 09:33 AM	dawgstudent
No freaking way we beat Brazil.	06/25/09 10:09 AM	patdog
Not so sure...	06/25/09 10:43 AM	Uncle Leo
Something's not right on that page.	06/25/09 11:30 AM	VegasDawg13
I had a feeling something wasn't adding up.	06/26/09 11:29 AM	Uncle Leo
I would love to say yes...	06/24/09 06:00 PM	GunnerDawg
I'd like to think so, but Brazil just kicked our ass a few days ago	06/26/09 02:33 PM	Sutterkane woya
Re: *Soccer Post: USA vs Spain starting now on ESPN*	06/26/09 12:19 PM	skb124.nafoom
Turned out he sucked.	06/26/09 12:23 PM	patdog
Eddie had an o.k. season at Cardiff	06/26/09 02:27 PM	eurotrash

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