turnover bank statements in response to their inquiry into Renardo's eligibility. As expected, Donald Jackson says they won't get those without
subpoena power. While Jackson is correct that they are under no obligation to produces such financial documents, this is bad news for us. You better believe
the NCAA will use the refusal to produce as a reason to drag their feet on making a final decision.
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Per KV, the NCAA is requesting the Sidney's |
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Posts: 2330 06/01/09 10:00 AM |
I'm not stubborn enough to say, 'This is our offense, this is what we're doing,' even if we don't have the personnel to run it.--Dan
Mullen, 1/5/2009
But dont worry your head, we have zero chance of winning the SEC Tourney--Coach34, 03/09/2009 |
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The good news for you is that I think MSU, as a university, is going to be clear no matter what. | #1 | ||
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Posts: 3748 06/01/09 10:03 AM Literally a Cocksucker
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You may not end up getting Sidney depending on how it plays out, but I have a hard time seeing how this would bite your basketball program in terms of NCAA
issues.
So, in terms of risk-reward, it was definitely a good move for Stans to make the move for Sidney in my opinion. I think it's fairly low risk for the program at least, and it's got a potential for a very high reward. |
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graddawg |
I'm not concerned | #2 | ||
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Posts: 2331 06/01/09 10:17 AM |
about the program getting in trouble; it's getting our All-American forward eligible to play that I'm worried about. On the other hand, I'm sure
UCLA and USC are praying those bank records never see the light of day.
I'm not stubborn enough to say, 'This is our offense, this is what we're doing,' even if we don't have the personnel to run it.--Dan
Mullen, 1/5/2009
But dont worry your head, we have zero chance of winning the SEC Tourney--Coach34, 03/09/2009 |
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Croomp |
It is troubling | #3 | ||
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Posts: 1277 06/01/09 10:29 AM |
the NCAA is requesting them, but as long as we have not contributed to any of the wrong doings of his father then I'll be much more satisfied. It still is
a negative sign although and even if they clear Sidney I see this thing getting dragged out much longer than it should ever be.
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Posts: 224 06/01/09 10:33 AM |
I'm wondering why are they now just asking. If he had signed with USC-would this have come up?
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hotdigitydog |
This doesn't bode well for us in any case.......I'm thinking Sidney may | #5 | ||
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Posts: 1537 06/01/09 10:36 AM |
never play at all as a collegeiate........
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jakldawg |
Call me pessimistic, but even if he is cleared to play | #6 | ||
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Posts: 1703 06/01/09 10:37 AM |
we're still not totally out of the woods with the NCAA.
(after all, how many years ago did Derrick Rose take/not take the SAT?) |
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Todd4State |
Honestly, yes | #7 | ||
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Posts: 5134 06/01/09 10:48 AM |
If he were a football player at USC, no.
"Because just being good kids who make good grades isn't good enough anymore."- John Cohen
"This league doesn't care how hard you try. This league cares about having real players who can perform certain skills. If you try to throw a fastball in and you miss the middle of the plate, the league doesn't care that you're a really good kid. The game says you better execute the pitch." - John Cohen |
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Shmuley |
I'm going to call this Retard Karma. ... | #8 | ||
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Posts: 2664 06/01/09 11:09 AM |
I've argued that state and UM are the conference retards, forced to scrum on the playground for the amusement of the rest of the conference. And as
expected, when one retard pokes fun at another, before long the other one shats their drawers or something retarded.
They had their powe. We made fun. Now it's our turn.
Dennis Miller on Nancy Pelosi during Obama's speech: "Hey, when higher taxes are proposed, she's up clapping like a seal at Sea World."
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alabamadog |
But Sidney could read his LOI | #9 | ||
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Posts: 96 06/01/09 11:14 AM |
Its not as bad as Powe.
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 DowntownDawg |
Agreed... | #10 | ||
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Posts: 1570 06/01/09 11:19 AM |
...it will be very interesting to see what the NCAA does with Memphis. If they can link Cal or Memphis boosters/coaches to the trouble, then it's probably
not an apples/apples type situation. But if they can't, it's very similar.
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DerHntr |
luckily this is basketball so it likely won't drag on as long as the Powe.. | #11 | ||
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Posts: 3274 06/01/09 11:20 AM Dr. Death
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debacle. he'll just go into the draft after next year if the NCAA doesn't let him play.
Lt. Gen. Stephen D. Lee... Vicksburg National Military Park
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Posts: 710 06/01/09 11:29 AM |
What irks me about the NCAA requesting bank statements is that they most likely are going to try to make generalizations based on summary information. You
really can't get much detail on deposits from any bank statement that I've seen. Sure, some of the deposits are going to have very high level
information like (hopefully not in this case) "Mississippi State University Treasurer" or something like that in the event it was a wired deposit.
Unless I'm mistaken, cash/checks deposited are just going to say something very generic like "deposit". So, if the Sidney's were receiving
payments that would compromise eligibility (from agents, boosters, etc.), it's not going to show up barring anything completely retarded like a check being
cut from a University's treasury or direct deposited from an agent's firm. Shady transactions are going to be dealt with in cash and if your only
information is a bank statement - you aren't going to be able to trace much more that what's given to you there.
But, what the NCAA would probably do is try to establish how much of a balance the Sidneys should have in their accounts based on their documented legitimate income sources. Anything above that would be "assumed" to come from illegitimate sources, unless proven otherwise, from the NCAA's perspective and clearance would be denied. I have no idea what sort of authority the NCAA can or can't do regarding clearance of players, but I assume if they wanted to deny clearance on this alone, they could if they wanted to. The Sidney's would have no choice but to prove where the unexplained deposits came from if they wanted Renardo to play college ball. If there was anything illegitimate there, they wouldn't want to even try defend themselves as I'm sure none of the cash payments were reported to the IRS as income. That's another can of worms they don't want to open. Even if the Sidneys are sqeaky clean, it just makes sense not to hand anything over. That's just more information available for the NCAA to misinterpret. But, seeing our luck with the NCAA, I'm sure they'll mark this up as a huge risk factor and will weigh heavily in their ultimate decision. |
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Possibly the statements could corroborate other info | #13 | ||
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Posts: 366 06/01/09 11:50 AM |
If the NCAA has info the Sidneys were paid $25K on some particular date, for example, and their bank statement showed a deposit of something resembling that
amount on or about that date, that could be what they're after.
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ckDOG |
good point | #14 | ||
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Posts: 711 06/01/09 12:04 PM |
Didn't think of the possibility of using it to corroborate allegations. The allegations would have to be pretty specific to work (i.e. alleged payment of
$#,###.## on 1/01/XX from ABC party, etc.). Allegations usually are pretty broad in the sports world, so I would think chances would be low that an allegation
could be tied to a vaguely described deposit on a bank statement.
Anyhow, just another reason not to give more information when you aren't legally required to. |
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Posts: 1391 06/01/09 12:29 PM |
You are correct in that bank statements only show the deposit slip. When you subpoena a bank, you have to ask for the "deposit items." Then you get
a copy of the check(s) that were actually deposited and represented on the deposit slip.
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biguglykidjoe |
Was anyone NOT expecting this? | #16 | ||
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Posts: 971 06/01/09 01:21 PM |
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"I want to be working very closely with you to help you in any way I can," Keenum told MSU athletic director
Greg Byrne. "I want us to be competitive," he said. "I want us to win championships."
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KurtRambis4 |
live by the bank statement... | #17 | ||
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Posts: 3455 06/01/09 01:30 PM |
die by the bank statement.
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+1 for ronny's archive and no capitalization
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