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 VirgilCain
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The SEC sets signee limit 28 players |
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Posts: 205 05/30/09 12:54 PM |
"The Night they drove ole' Dixie down, when all the bells where ringin'.... " - The Band |
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 jackstefano |
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Posts: 1065 05/30/09 01:28 PM |
I think it'll clearly hurts OM, MSU, Arkansas, etc. much more than LSU, Bama and LSU. They don't have to take as many chances on superstars with iffy
grades as the others (although Bama has been doing it a lot under Saban lately just because they can).
"Tastes like shit and smells like a fart. Got ourselves one hell of a product on our hands."
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dawgatUSM |
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Posts: 1156 05/30/09 01:31 PM |
only the SEC makes rules to hurt its own institutions...
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DirtyLopez |
thank you olemiss | #3 | ||
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Posts: 222 05/30/09 02:06 PM |
hope the ncaa visits soon.
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DynamicDawg |
I don't mind them setting limits. | #4 | ||
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Posts: 660 05/30/09 03:13 PM |
But, 28 is too low. 30 would be more reasonable.
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jackstefano |
Don't mention it. | #5 | ||
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Posts: 1066 05/30/09 03:18 PM |
While you're at it though, might want to thank Arkansas (32) and UK (29). And USC (29). Also send a note of appreciation to Alabama for their 32 signees in
2008.
"Tastes like shit and smells like a fart. Got ourselves one hell of a product on our hands."
Last Edited By: jackstefano 05/30/09 03:32 PM.
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JacksonDevilDog |
People seem to forget that Croom signed 34 in 2007 | #6 | ||
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Posts: 1897 05/30/09 03:37 PM |
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VirgilCain |
What am I missing here? | #7 | ||
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Posts: 207 05/30/09 03:50 PM |
what difference does it make with how many people a school "signs" as long as only 25 are allowed to enter?
"The Night they drove ole' Dixie down, when all the bells where ringin'.... " - The Band |
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DesotoCountyDawg |
And thanks for being a dumbass. | #8 | ||
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Posts: 8755 05/30/09 04:46 PM Sixpack's Official Farmer |
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Todd4State |
And it's a round number | #9 | ||
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Posts: 5107 05/30/09 04:54 PM |
To me, I don't see what the big deal is here. If you have 56 people in your class, you can still only allow 25 in on scholarship.
And if a school has that many signees simply to boost their Internet recruiting scores, then they're the ones that are stupid. And yet another reason why I think these websites with their "recruiting rankings" are a lot of bunk. I mean, my God, Steve Robertson has a combine. That should tell you all you need to know right there. It's ridiculous. And then you have people like Gene pimping guys like Chris Garrett mainly because of his business- ie excite his customers from Tupelo with the speculation that this guy from a larger poplation area in Mississippi at a big name high school program will go to MSU, when all along a guy like Tyler Russell is clearly better. And as far the Grayshirts and JUCO sign and place and what nots- what does it matter if these players are announced or not if they won't count towards the initial scholarship total for that year? Of course, I've always felt like it would be a nice gesture to announce who the invited walk-ons are to, but here again, that would probably make SEC have a wad in their panties to. "Because just being good kids who make good grades isn't good enough anymore."- John Cohen
"This league doesn't care how hard you try. This league cares about having real players who can perform certain skills. If you try to throw a fastball in and you miss the middle of the plate, the league doesn't care that you're a really good kid. The game says you better execute the pitch." - John Cohen |
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Optimus Prime 4 |
a point I'd never thought of is that he said it keeps some kids in school who otherwise would have | #10 | ||
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Posts: 7035 05/30/09 05:10 PM Cobra Kai Sensei |
quit. But now they know they can go Juco or prep and still have a college future.
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DynamicDawg |
So, Todd ... | #11 | ||
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Posts: 661 05/30/09 05:35 PM |
Do you think will be easy to sign a class with only three casualties year-in and year-out? With Mississippi being our primary recruiting ground? No big deal,
huh?
I know that 30 is not much more than 28, but it does give us a little more leeway if some of our recruits don't qualify. And some won't. You can count on that. This ruling hurts us more than any other school. It's a big deal. |
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8Dog |
I think one problem is that schools are telling kids they have a scholarship.. | #12 | ||
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Posts: 6456 05/30/09 05:42 PM Message Board Hero |
when they have no intention of following through on that. If someone signs 35 guys and 30 qualify, 5 guys are screwed.
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Optimus Prime 4 |
and when that happens, there should be punishment for it | #13 | ||
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Posts: 7036 05/30/09 05:46 PM Cobra Kai Sensei |
but not for oversigning when no one is hurt by it.
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Todd4State |
I don't think recruiting is ever easy for us in football | #14 | ||
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Posts: 5108 05/30/09 06:07 PM |
I'm not sure that's relevant here. Mullen and his staff should know whether the guys they recruit have a chance to qualify or not. That's part of
their job. They have access to their grades, just like every other coach in the country does. If they don't know where their recruits stand academically,
then they aren't doing their job. I trust him in his judgement on guys like Sanders that people said had very little chance to get in if he does get them
to commit. If it doesn't work out, that's on him and his staff.
I think it would be an issue if you somehow had holding rights on guys that commit to you out of HS but have to go the JUCO route or even the prep school route, but that's not the case. Once those players go to Hinds or wherever, they're fair game. We could very well sign a recruit or two out of Ole Miss's class in a year or so. It's happened before several times and has gone both ways- Smoot committed to Ole Miss out of HS, and then us after JUCO for example. Regardless of the rules, Mullen has to be able to find the best 25 players that he can get and make sure that he can get them to Starkville. I think what's going to happen in the future is this, because like you said there are always going to be guys that are borderline and won't qualify or whatever- you're going to simply see schools say "Look, we know you're going to go JUCO, but we like you as a player and just know that we're going to have a spot for you after your two years at Jones." The biggest difference is these players won't be listed as commitments like in the past. I seriously doubt that Nutt recruited those guys without any intention whatsoever of getting them into their program somehow, at some point. And if he did, then that was a bad move on his part. "Because just being good kids who make good grades isn't good enough anymore."- John Cohen
"This league doesn't care how hard you try. This league cares about having real players who can perform certain skills. If you try to throw a fastball in and you miss the middle of the plate, the league doesn't care that you're a really good kid. The game says you better execute the pitch." - John Cohen |
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Mutt the Hoople |
translation: every time State or OM wins, they make a rule.... | #15 | ||
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Posts: 1312 05/30/09 06:18 PM King of Pointless Knowledge
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...trust me, if bammer won National Championships because they signed 75 players a year, they sure up the limit to 75.
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Woosaa |
Wow... | #16 | ||
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Posts: 105 05/31/09 01:20 AM |
DirtyLopez wrote:Your and dubmass. I've got nothing here to match your level. |
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Irondawg |
Let's use a recent example - Ricco Sanders | #17 | ||
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Posts: 752 05/31/09 08:00 AM |
Under the new rules would we have even signed the guy. At signature he was considered a very long shot to make it and now it looks like he might actually make
it in. So 28 will always be cutting it close for MSU, OM.
But it could also work somewhat to our advantage. Now more of those 25/75 kids will fall to OM/MSU b/c Bama and co can't sign 5-10 of them and then figure it out if they make it. And you can still have the side deals promising a scholarship to a kid who is JUCO bound for sure and try to place him. Since I'm big on academics though, I'd almost rather see a rule that says kids can't sign a scholarship offer until they hit their qualifying entrance test score and prove they are on course to graduate. Probably way out of the realm of reality but it would really force the kids to focus early on the academic side versus cramming in 3 online courses during the 2nd sememster of their senior year and then sweating out the ACT. |
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alabamadog |
Another is Billy Hamilton | #18 | ||
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Posts: 95 05/31/09 04:12 PM |
minor league prospects and recruits with bad grades are who this rule effects. I think this is stupid for the league to limit itself to 28 when everyone else
isn't, but this rule might be decent with the whole ncaa doing it.
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