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Duncan goes down to Bagwell..Kiss sunday sales goodbuy |
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Posts: 6074 05/19/09 09:00 PM |
"A loss will be good for us in the long run"
Frances Drebin "I've had a handfull of man-crushes with players" Rebelbruiser 1/30/08 |
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Posts: 3 05/21/09 08:48 AM |
Hi again all -- it's kind of hard to have a civil conversation with guys who hide behind avatars and anonymously name call but I'll try.
- I have never opposed Sunday alcohol sales in private or in public. - On the contrary, I support Sunday sales for restaurants and have stated so publicly. On a personal level, I have felt strongly about DUIs since losing a 22 year old friend to an 18 year old drunk driver back in 1995 (he died on Academy Road in Starkville and was killed by a pledge in his fraternity). Once you've helped carry a young person out in a box it's hard to look at things the same way. Surely you'll agree that in the hands of some people alcohol is dangerous. How do we address those dangers while allowing the rest of us to have a good time? Please help me out here. That's my issue. I don't oppose alcohol consumption but alcohol excess -- just like I don't oppose food consumption but overeating is a negative. What's wrong with asking for a little responsibility so we don't have to carry more dead people out in boxes? That's all I'm doing here. I think any alcohol expansion, whether on Sunday or any other day, should address these issues as well. The day of the week consumed is not an issue to me. Joe Lee -- Thanks for doing some homework. You say we've talked and I'd be happy to talk more but I don't know who you are behind that avatar. You claim to have only seen me at one or two BOA meetings but you haven't looked around. I think I've missed only one or two this whole year so please come talk to me next time. And for the record, I don't want to bring back indoor smoking (I was just using that as an example). Coach33 -- I suspect I never had your vote :) -- I think you'll like Jeremiah. He's a great guy and friend (I hope that compliment didn't damage his reputation). ElectroSpanish -- I have no beliefs that prevent Sunday drinking so that point is moot. 615dawg -- I welcome a mobilized vote. It's about time our turnout was decent around here. Thanks for the lively debate. |
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Posts: 2312 05/21/09 08:56 AM |
I'm sure all of us are sorry you lost a friend and many can probably relate, but tying your support for expanding alcohol sales to education/prevention
issues is ridiculous. Show me some research that indicates Sunday v. non-Sunday sales has an effect on DUI related arrests/accidents. They are two separate
and distinct concerns that can, and should, be dealt with separately by the BoA. Here's an idea, approve Sunday sales and use part of the increased tax
revenue to fund more DUI patrols. You're effectively refusing to take a clear position in support of Sunday sales without coming out and saying it by
hiding behind something else. Very politician-like.
Too bad the day of the week is precisely the issue in Starkville right now.
I'm not stubborn enough to say, 'This is our offense, this is what we're doing,' even if we don't have the personnel to run it.--Dan
Mullen, 1/5/2009
But dont worry your head, we have zero chance of winning the SEC Tourney--Coach34, 03/09/2009
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615dawg |
Typical. | #23 | ||
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Posts: 1127 05/21/09 09:06 AM |
Sunday sales has nothing to do with DUIs. That is absurd. People are going to drink on Sunday regardless, why not have the opportunity for tax revenue for the
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Its like those people that blame video games for their kids shooting up schools. Its an excuse to make people feel better. If you took the students out of Starkville, you probably could pass "No sales, period." You are the typical Starkvillian that hates the students, when if it wasn't for the students, Starkville would be another West Point. You and the rest of Starkville's royalty should be required to spend a month in Auburn. 15 years ago, Auburn was just like Starkville, then someone realized that the university was a major part of the city. Auburn is a great college town now. Putting up flags and painting "Go State" on the downtown businesses and paw prints on University Drive does not mean Starkville supports the university, and its time someone realizes it. |
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 dawgstudent |
A quick tutorial... | #24 | ||
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Posts: 16703 05/21/09 09:07 AM The Godfather |
My vote will go to the candidate that knows how to reply properly on this message board.
I support the two most frustrating teams in America: The New Orleans Saints and the Mississippi State Bulldogs.
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tossedoff |
Question... | #25 | ||
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Posts: 606 05/21/09 09:11 AM |
Why hasn't anyone challenged the Sunday prohibition in court? How can something be legal 6 days a week and not a selected 1?
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futaba |
for goodness sakes........... | #26 | ||
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Posts: 2360 05/21/09 09:18 AM |
do you even know the guy?
You are the typical Starkvillian that hates the students, when if it wasn't for the students, Starkville would be another West Point.That's not Mike Allen at all. I talked with the dude on my porch about Sunday sales. I'm for it and the position he presented to me seemed very reasonable. Unless he was looking me in the eye and lying, which I doubt, he gave me the distinct impression that he would vote for limited Sunday sales. |
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615dawg |
I know enough to say that he is part of the status quo | #27 | ||
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Posts: 1128 05/21/09 09:20 AM |
and it won't matter that Wiseman gets elected if the BoA is the status quo. We've got to get progression into city government.
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graddawg |
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Posts: 2313 05/21/09 09:22 AM |
Then he should come out and say that without attempting to tie his vote to progress on some other issue.
I'm not stubborn enough to say, 'This is our offense, this is what we're doing,' even if we don't have the personnel to run it.--Dan
Mullen, 1/5/2009
But dont worry your head, we have zero chance of winning the SEC Tourney--Coach34, 03/09/2009 |
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dawgstudent |
What does limited Sunday sales entail?** | #29 | ||
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Posts: 16704 05/21/09 09:22 AM The Godfather |
I support the two most frustrating teams in America: The New Orleans Saints and the Mississippi State Bulldogs.
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cowbell9 |
The solution is simple. Get it on a referendum................. | #30 | ||
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Posts: 6080 05/21/09 09:24 AM |
...get enough signatures and present it to the BOA to have a referendum. Have the vote when students are HERE. The BOA CAN decline to have the ref, but it
would also give them an out with the constituents who oppose SS. Same way we got beer in the 80's. Failed the first time cuz they had the vote in the
Summer. pPassed 2nd time when students were here. Let the ppl decide. It's just that simple.
"A loss will be good for us in the long run"
Frances Drebin "I've had a handfull of man-crushes with players" Rebelbruiser 1/30/08 |
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cowbell9 |
Times. Say from noon to 8pm. That would cover all games... | #31 | ||
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Posts: 6081 05/21/09 09:26 AM |
..and races. Or maybe even, just beer and wine. No liquor.
"A loss will be good for us in the long run"
Frances Drebin "I've had a handfull of man-crushes with players" Rebelbruiser 1/30/08 |
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Berserker |
Easy answer ... | #32 | ||
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Posts: 1346 05/21/09 09:30 AM |
jesus.
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futaba |
As cowbell posted........ | #33 | ||
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Posts: 2361 05/21/09 09:32 AM |
............ limited times and perhaps beer/wine only. Compromises that most pro-sales people could live with.
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thelaw |
Two Cents | #34 | ||
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Posts: 268 05/21/09 09:34 AM |
I don't oppose alcohol consumption but alcohol excess -- just like I don't oppose food consumption but overeating is a negative. What's wrong with asking for a little responsibility so we don't have to carry more dead people out in boxes? That's all I'm doing here. I think any alcohol expansion, whether on Sunday or any other day, should address these issues as well. The day of the week consumed is not an issue to me.Perhaps I'm more of a libertarian in this sense, however, I don't believe it is the government's role to prevent its citizens from eating or drinking however much they want to. If I want to engorge myself with junk food and develop heart disease, its my right to do so. You are not elected to prevent people from drinking in excess, you are elected to keep society safe and promote the general welfare. Put in another way, you aren't elected to make people stop smoking cigarettes- If people want to do damaging things to their bodies, they're allowed (with legal substances of course). However, on the subject of drunk driving, if you honestly believe that preventing alcohol to be sold on one day out of the week actually prevents a significant number of people from drinking and driving, I would argue that is naive. If it is my desire to get drunk on Sunday I will do it- whether that means I buy more on Saturday for Sunday, or I drive to a place that does sell on Sunday, I will get alcohol and I will drink it. If I don't care about myself and others, then when I'm drunk I'll drive around. You cannot prevent this with the blue law- it doesn't happen. Merely look at Rankin County and the liquor stores that pepper the county line next to Hinds County. People will drive to get it- DUI's will happen because irresponsible people make bad decisions and Sunday laws don't prevent that. Your argument about locking doors is a slippery slope that points government in the direction of an Orwellian society. More regulation and restrictive laws are in the end, less effective than a free and self governing populace, i.e. people teaching their children not to drink and drive is more effective than a blue law at preventing drunk driving. Finally, it does stifle business. Even Rankin County probably loses millions of dollars in revenue on potential liquor sales. Hopefully that will change soon. If you are truly pro-business, this blue law debate isn't one: its bad policy for business. If you want to prevent more drunk driving, increase law enforcement and encourage parents to teach their children that it isn't a good idea. Don't take average citizen's for fools; and personal stories, no matter how tragic, don't make policy- reason does.
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mikeallen |
Thanks for the idea | #35 | ||
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Posts: 4 05/21/09 09:36 AM |
How many times do I have to say the day of the week doesn't matter to me? It's simply the expansion of sales without more responsibility that matters
to me. If the issue was Monday sales we would be having this same debate.
graddawg, I appreciate your constructive idea. As for Sunday sales, there is no way to please everyone in Starkville on this issue so I think it will take a compromise like the one you proposed to find a workable solution. I am not hiding behind anything but being realistic. I am trying to find a reasonable compromise that does not excludes either side. That means Sunday restaurant sales but making those who oppose this still feel safe. It will probably please nobody fully but I feel something along these lines would be more constructive than what we've had for decades regarding alcohol. cowbell9 -- I like your proposed compromise and find that reasonable. |
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mikeallen |
Limited government is good | #36 | ||
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Posts: 5 05/21/09 09:45 AM |
thelaw -- You are right about eating, drinking, smoking, etc. as long as it doesn't impact others. I'm with you on limited government. It works
perfectly until someone wants to put a pig farm in their back yard and the stench blows to yours. Then what do you do? You probably call government to
intervene.
Alcohol (and tobacco) have negatives that impact others when used inappropriately no matter what day of the week they are consumed. Let's allow them but in moderation. That's my point. Why don't people on this board see that I'm trying to bridge the gap here? |
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thelaw |
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Posts: 272 05/21/09 09:51 AM |
Alcohol (and tobacco) have negatives that impact others when used inappropriately no matter what day of the week they are consumed. Let's allow them but in moderation. That's my point. Why don't people on this board see that I'm trying to bridge the gap here?Because that's just it: you aren't bridging the gap. Let's allow them but in moderation.You aren't the authority to make people use alcohol and tobacco in moderation! Government punishes crimes and as far as I know, it isn't a crime to chain smoke cigs and pound a case of red and whites on my front porch if I want to. If I want to drink a fifth of whiskey and get a cab I can. If I decide to drink then drive on public roads, this is where your responsibility as an elected official begins- not before. Moderation is not your say whatsoever. Driving drunk, breaking the law is. That is where the focal point should be, not on policy that limits business and is ineffective at the naive goals it reaches for. |
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cowbell9 |
Mike...I have your signs in my yard in Plantation Homes.... | #38 | ||
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Posts: 6082 05/21/09 09:52 AM |
I think you will be better than Dumass. However,if Maynard would have won, I would have voted for him. Question? if Jean Nate' makes me break out in hives,
should rest/bars ban it? No, I will go to a bar that doesnt have women who wear Jene Nate or FDS. And the pig farm analogy is just as bas as mine
"A loss will be good for us in the long run"
Frances Drebin "I've had a handfull of man-crushes with players" Rebelbruiser 1/30/08 |
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futaba |
dude......... | #39 | ||
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Posts: 2362 05/21/09 09:54 AM |
This is the sixpack. Your position on the matter has been decided by board decree. |
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futaba |
really? | #40 | ||
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Posts: 2363 05/21/09 10:01 AM |
However,if Maynard would have won, I would have voted for him.I like Scott, he's a good man. Definitely against Sunday sales though. |
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